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Sqashhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I CAME! CAME CAME CAME!!! KRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAK!!!

YouTube isn't letting me sign in for some reason. Can someone repost on a better site?

That happened to one of my friends. She was born three months premature, and her mother's labor lasted only five minutes. But I'm guessing this is more about pitocin than prematurity.

My mom had me with pitocin and no other drugs. I feel kind of bad about it.

>>4016
That happened to me before, too. Try copy & pasting instead of clicking.

>>4017
Yeah, I've heard some very bad things about pitocin. Hospitals treat labouring women like crap. I used to mock the whole homebirth community for their annoying new-age, hippie schtick. I still do, but I've come to realise that, apart from their nonsensical spiritual BS, they're right. Home>>>>>>hospital.

Everything from terrible birthing positions to humiliating treatment, lack of privacy, unnecessary and often dangerous/painful/detrimental interventions, being told to push and strain when your body isn't ready, having the whole process timetabled around your doctor's schedule (i.e. pushing when you're not having a contraction = fucking awful and totally unnecessary, but it gets the baby out faster), etc., etc., etc. Hospitals remain in the dark ages when it comes to delivery. It's because their way is efficient for them, and any harm they routinely inflict can be dealt with on-site. "Next!"

Basically, hospitals only have two things going for them over home births: pain relief (ignore the home birth hippies - pain during birth depends on biological factors, not how in touch you are with "Mother Gaia") and the ability to deal with emergencies (this time, ignore the clinical scaremongers - life-threatening problems in childbirth for healthy women in sanitary conditions are extremely rare).

Unfortunately, pain relief is a pretty damned big issue. If midwives were licensed to dole out pain meds, the only women who should ever feel the need to step into a ghastly hospital would be high-risk ones. :p

tl;dr: fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap

>>4027
Home>>>>>>hospital

Until mom has a post-partum hemorrhage or baby has respiratory distress. I love watching homebirths for my own reasons :-), but these moms are selfish morons, putting their own comfort during birth above their own health and the health of their children.

>>"There's a lot to be said for slow, drawn out births, but *that* is one of the hottest things I've ever seen. "

...there is a time when you are browsing for porn and you stop and realize just how Goddamn weird your own fetish is.

>>4035
>and you stop and realize just how Goddamn weird your own fetish is.

I lol'd. So true.

Cannot unsee >.>

>>4030
Bullshit. Find me some reliable facts on how "common" these problems are and I might be swayed.

>>4030
>putting their own comfort during birth above their own health

Also, WUT. Apart from an tiny percentage of dangerous complications, hospital births are the ones that damage women's health! Random and unnecessary butchering of their sensitive bits prolongs recovery time, risks infections, and can cause chronic long-term problems. And let's not forget that hospitals are a hotbed of germs in the first place.

You are truly an idiot. The butchering of their sensitive bits that you claim prolongs their recovery, in fact dose the opposite. An episiotomy can prevent may problems.Some doctors do cut more often than they should for various reasons, the main one being to speed labor. I do not agree with or preform episiotomys for speed. But, making an incision to prevent prevent tearing is an important part of many deliveries. Episiotomys might not speed in the healing process as first thought, but they do control how much and where cut occurs. However, many births are preformed at home with great results. At the same time we end up doing several c-sections a month because of home deliveries gone bad.

Doc
Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine

>>4049
Find me some reliable facts on how "common" these problems are.


WARNING: No fappable material in link (LOL!)
hxxp://www.nature.com/jp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/jp201012a.html

This is a fairly accepted fact, my friend. Homebirths are worse for babies, nicer for SOME moms. There is a 2x higher risk of adverse outcomes for babies, which is stupid if you have a choice. Hence, my original post that the moms are selfish.

Also, to the poster that criticized the episiotomies, I agree with Doc, epidurals are no longer routinely performed in the US as per the recommendations of ACOG (american college of ob gyns). You've been watching too many foreign hospital births on youtube, LOL! Here's a hint, if they are pushing on the top of the stomach (fundal pressure, another "banned" practice), the birth is probably not taking place in the US. Fappable, yes. Good for mom/baby--no.

Now go enjoy the births! Like this one:
youtube.com/watch?v=UEehQtpYFt0

>>4058
>For the 5-year period there were:-
>1,237,129 in-hospital certified nurse midwife attended births;
>17,389 in-hospital ‘other’ midwife attended births;
>13,529 home certified nurse midwife attended births;
>42,375 home ‘other’ midwife attended births;
>25,319 birthing center certified nurse midwife attended births.

>The neonatal mortality rate per 1000 live births for each of these categories was, respectively:-
>0.5 (deaths=614),
>0.4 (deaths=7),
>1.0 (deaths=14),
>1.8 (deaths=75),
>0.6 (deaths=16).

>The adjusted odds ratio (95% confidence interval) for neonatal mortality for home certified nurse midwife attended deliveries vs in-hospital certified nurse midwife attended deliveries was 2.02 (1.18, 3.45).

Yeah, the thing with that, though, is that it's a difference of between 0.5 deaths per 1,000 and 1 death per 1,000. That's so ridiculously tiny that I can't believe anybody would accuse a woman of being selfish for not wanting to put herself through *that* just to give their child an extra 0.05% chance of surviving the birth. While we're at it, why not blame our mothers for not sleeping with principals of expensive schools in order to get us the best start in life? How selfish.

They're all reasonable choices at the end of the day. Depends on the person. Let's reserve our rage for women who smoke and drink (excessively) during pregnancy.

Oh, and thanks for reminding me about birth centres. As far as I'm concerned:-
Birth centre>>Home>Hospital.

>>4053
I have no problems about it when it's necessary, but bad birthing positions, and being told to push when you're not ready (causing swelling and exhaustion) are both big contributors here. Both of which are very common in hospital births, too.

It would be great if every doctor was as enlightened as yourself, but "oh god babby no come out in lithotomy position, pragnent girl too tired to push anymore - scalpel plz!" is about as mind-numbingly stupid as it is common, unfortunately.

>>4035
It really is very weird.

Can we all stop debating like gentlemen and go back to fapping like horny teenagers?

For the thousands of years people have been born outside hospitals, I'd say there isn't much need for them.

>>4187
Hospitals? Medicine? Who needs them?!?

>>4190
Thank you for agreeing.:)

I request more videos like OP's.

youtube.com/watch?v=T0tvwWWIXBM

Copy and paste the link. If the people who upload these videos see a lot of traffic come in from a porn site, they may take them down.

>>4201
Better yet, someone could upload it to MU or RS. I haven't done it myself because I don't know how.

>>4201
Saying that is like saying they'll be deleted from the internet forever. I just laugh at that.

>>4064
OP and chief arguer here: agreed!

>>4209
Fine, fine. I didn't think anyone would need a download once they got the link to work, but then I'd be a hypocrite because I downloaded it myself. Here ya go:-
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ML6VUFZF

If anyone has a slow connection and wants to download it in RAR form, just ask.

Having been watching my sons birth i find this not sexy at all.

also, giving birth at home is no way better than giving birth in hospital, for example in our case the baby got stuck in the external orifice of the uterus and the hospital would have been like 1 hour away from home. also it was so painful for my wife that she cant even remember anything from something like the last 2 hours before emergency caesarean section even though she had been given epidural.

>>4187

For those thousands of years of not giving birth in hospitals, children dying in birth or shortly after was about as normal as losing a cat is today.



Also, i hated when people said this before having a child of my own but, have a child of your own (with you holding your wifes hand during the probably most painful shit she goes through in her life) and then come show off your intelligence

>>4300
Actually, deaths during birth skyrocketed (through the fucking roof, like they had assistance from NASA) when doctors started taking over delivery. It was only in the 19th century that they realised hygiene was the problem and started sanitising their dens of filth and washing their corpse-probing hands.

Births aren't overall safer today because of hospitals (we went through the figures earlier in this thread - fatality rates are infinitesimal in or out of hospital). They sure have saved plenty of women with serious complications, but those complications are far, far too rare to make a difference to the overall mortality rate. No, births are safer overall today because of hygiene. Not gonna argue about pain relief, though. :p

In fact, I thought we'd finished arguing. Can we all just agree that they're all good choices and it should be up to the individual?

you do know all those "stats" meen nothing... your not going to home birth if your hight risk

>>4312
DOn't worry, that's been accounted for. High-risk should always be hospital births. No one's disputing that. It would be kind of silly to.

>>4315
Actually, I read an article from a woman who was SHOCKED and APPALLED that no doctor or midwife would assist her in a VBAC (vaginal birth after caesarian) of twins when she was also diabetic AND had high blood pressure.

That's just selfish.

Can any of you people backup a single word you say with a credible source? Cause I'm getting tired of the "trust me on this" style crap that's being posted.

Every woman is going to react differently to giving birth, and every birth is different. Just because one person's wife had a shit pregnancy and delivery doesn't mean THAT IS THE WAY IT HAPPENS! There are plenty of videos on youtube that show women having natural, NO ANESTHESIA, deliveries with zero problems. The miracle of variety.

You can also toss around the doctors/midwifes thing around all you like. There will ALWAYS be someone out there who has evidence contrary to you fucking OPINION!

Can't we just watch some birthing videos in piece without all the trolls in this thread having an ePenis debate about how right their egos think they are?

/end Is mad

I actually went to school to learn how to deliver babies, and I can safely say that unless you did, you probably shouldn't make vague pronouncements about what's safe and what's dangerous. Demanding evidence from people who have no idea what they're talking about won't do you much good either. If you have actual questions and want to hear answers from someone who has a degree in this stuff, then ask away.

All of you, stop this arguing.

Seriously.